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re: remove desktop-profiles?

Holger Levsen-2
Hi,

hello debian-desktop folks, we are pondering to remove
src:desktop-profiles from sid and bullseye, because:

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 05:45:43PM +0100, Wolfgang Schweer wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 07:14:00PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 05:03:10AM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > > the latest d-e-config upload removed all traces from using
> > > desktop-profiles, as it has become unneeded. desktop-profiles has no
> > > rdepends, time to remove it from unstable (and thus bullseye)?
> > noone responded, so I'll file the removal bug soon.
> According to popcon, the desktop-profiles package has a higher value
> than debian-edu-* packages, so seems to be used elsewhere. Maybe cc
> debian-desktop@ about the removal?

doing so now. I've seen the higher popcon value too, and wondered why,
but still, I don't see any usecase left for desktop-profiles which
cannot be done better with XDG.

Do you see any reasons why the package should stay?


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re: remove desktop-profiles?

Petter Reinholdtsen

[Holger Levsen]
> doing so now. I've seen the higher popcon value too, and wondered why,
> but still, I don't see any usecase left for desktop-profiles which
> cannot be done better with XDG.

Is it now possible to use XDG to redirect esound audio on LTSP clients?
Just curious, as it was one of the important usecases for
desktop-profiles.

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Re: remove desktop-profiles?

Holger Levsen-2
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:53:10AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Holger Levsen]
> > doing so now. I've seen the higher popcon value too, and wondered why,
> > but still, I don't see any usecase left for desktop-profiles which
> > cannot be done better with XDG.
> Is it now possible to use XDG to redirect esound audio on LTSP clients?
> Just curious, as it was one of the important usecases for
> desktop-profiles.
 
esound doesnt seem to be part of buster (and newer) anymore.


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Re: remove desktop-profiles?

Petter Reinholdtsen
[Holger Levsen]
>> Is it now possible to use XDG to redirect esound audio on LTSP clients?
>> Just curious, as it was one of the important usecases for
>> desktop-profiles.
>  
> esound doesnt seem to be part of buster (and newer) anymore.

Note, I am mostly curious about the features of XDG, not really esound.
If I recall correctly, desktop-profiles took desktop setup desicions
based on environment variables set during login.  I guess it can also be
done using a Xsession.d script, if XDG do not have that feature.

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Re: remove desktop-profiles?

Wolfgang Schweer-3
On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:25:48AM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> If I recall correctly, desktop-profiles took desktop setup desicions
> based on environment variables set during login.  I guess it can also
> be done using a Xsession.d script, if XDG do not have that feature.

IIRC, desktop-profiles has been useful to do a lot of configuration at
KDE3.x times. With KDE going on, the Debian Edu settings got more and
more outdated and non-functional (with menu-reordering left as only use
case). With the Buster release desktop-profiles were disabled (via
setting 'PERSONALITY=sheep' in /etc/default/desktop-profiles).

Yes, while XDG can do menu-reordering, other tweaking can be done using
xsession scripts. For Debian Edu, these scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.de
are just links to scripts in /usr/share/debian-edu-config set by
Cfengine conditionally, mostly for temporary workarounds like those for
Xfce in Buster.

Wolfgang

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Re: remove desktop-profiles?

Aurélien COUDERC-4
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Le lundi 18 novembre 2019, 09:31:36 CET Holger Levsen a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> hello debian-desktop folks, we are pondering to remove
> src:desktop-profiles from sid and bullseye, because:
[…]

Hi Edu folks,

thank you for the notice.
I didn’t know of desktop-profiles before reading this email, so I think we’re
fine with the removal.
(I’m mostly talking for myself here, but also debian-desktop has been mostly
me for a couple of years now. ;-) If corsac or jcc have more knowledge and
want to chime in, feel free.)

Out of curiosity does (did) that package really do what the description says ?
I’m not aware of any cross-DE tweaking config and currently a substential part
of what we do with desktop-base is trying to correctly set some configuration
accross all DEs (mostly wallpapers TBH).
So if some freedesktop thing really lets us to that more easily, I’d want to
explore it.


Happy hacking !
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Aurélien


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